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Update Causes Havoc

  Date: Jan 08    Category: Unix / Linux / Ubuntu    Views: 329
  

The recent update that includes Kernel 2.6.32.26 caused problems for me on two
different computers, a Gateway desktop and a Dell Inspiron 1520 laptop. In both
cases, I had installed 10.04 using the wubi installer. Wubi allows you to
install Ubuntu inside Windows as an application, requires no repartitioning, and
can be easily removed. I chose this method because both computers belong to my
son whom I am visiting and I did not want to make any permanent changes.

The laptop, which I use daily, was first to go. After the update, on first
reboot, it refused to boot into Linux, though the Windows XP install worked
fine. Every time I tried to boot Linux, as soon as I selected Ubuntu, it
rebooted. After some head scratching and looking around the computer, I
discovered that the c:\ubuntu\disks\boot directory was empty. I got lucky. I
simply copied the files from the Gateway desktop and transferred them to the
laptop, and everything worked.

The desktop problem was not so simple. Several days later, I updated it, and it
then refused to boot either Windows Vista or Ubuntu. As is typical with Windows
users, my son has no idea where the Vista install disk is, so I was unable to
recover Vista. Even though I had saved the c:\ubuntu\disks\boot files that I
used to repair the laptop, installing them on the Gateway did not work. I should
mention that in both cases, I was using the Ubuntu 10.04 live disk for
troubleshooting.

I finally gave up on recovering either system, and installed Ubuntu 10.04 in a
separate partition on the d: drive (SDB). That got me up and running on Ubuntu,
with a grub menu on bootup showing 2 Vista partitions. (SDA1 and SDA2) I tried
booting SDA1 and got a recovery system. Fortunately, my son has never installed
an Administrator password, so I was unable to run the recovery. A bit more
investigation disclosed that the actual Vista OS is installed on SDA2, so I set
that to the grub default, and now the computer is working in both OSes just
fine.

The bottom line: there is a serious problem with updates on wubi installations
and unless you really know what you are doing, I do NOT recommend installing
Ubuntu via wubi.exe.

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5 Answers Found

 
Answer #1    Answered On: Jan 08    

A kernel upgrade can cause problems in a number of ways. It can happen in
WUBI or in a full installation. Drivers, especially graphics drivers, are
often linked to the kernel and sometimes a new kernel can cause things to go
awry. However, if you boot into an older kernel from grub things often work
as before. The kernel problem usually rights itself over time as associated
packages get caught up, or so I have found. So, I would not fault WUBI
itself. It is just a Linux thing because the kernel is so frequently
upgraded.

The only thing that surprises me was that it was 10.04. The kernel is not
usually upgraded much in LTS releases as these are meant to be more stable.
I don't have much experience personally though because I follow the six
month upgrade path and am running 10.10. These things are common enough
occurrences that I do not worry. I just boot into an older kernel and do
updates for a few days then retry the newer kernel and things just seem to
work for me.

The good news is that you resolved it and now have a full installation of
Ubuntu. Sometimes Vista can rewrite the bootloader so keep your Ubuntu disk
handy to fix it. WUBI is not meant to be a replacement for a full Linux
installation and it is not exempt from the peculiarities of Linux such as
you experienced where upgrades can be uneven and produce unexpected results.

 
Answer #2    Answered On: Jan 08    

I guess I didn't express myself very clearly. This was NOT a Kernel problem. The
update simple erased the contents of the boot directory in both cases. On the
laptop, copying the boot directory from the desktop fixed the problem. On the
desktop, it did not. Booting an older kernel was never an option, because there
was no Grub and neither Windows nor Linux would boot.

 
Answer #3    Answered On: Jan 08    

Okay. I get it. You managed to resolve it and that is what counts. I am
unsure why the boot directory would be wiped. It is a mystery that should be
looked into.

 
Answer #4    Answered On: Jan 08    

I would guess wubi plays tricks that the standard update fails to
consider. Depending on what computer I am working on at home, the boxes
have 3 to 5 distros on them. In updating grub2 I must boot in the last
installed distro to make any changes, that is if I want my changes to
work with the grub on next boot up. I tried updating the grub while
running in other partitions with no success, even though the conf file
was changed in that partition.

I have noticed that when I have installed with wubi, a different screen
pops up than with the standard grub screen. I had assumed that a windows
boot loader or some other loader was used rather than the standard grub2
boot loader installed when I took the time to change the partition
tables for a proper install.

It is easy enough to change the grub file to:
1.) start up using any default OS you define.
2.) limit the time that the grub splash is displayed. Where no one has
to know that another OS is installed on a machine.

Linux can take so little space, that a change on the hard drive to
accommodate a Linux distro will likely not be noticed by anyone that
allows you to install using wubi. In all likelihood, a typical windows
user has close to a heart attack just letting someone use their machine
so when they trust you enough to let you use their machine and install a
program. They would likely let you install Ubuntu the right way and
your path would be paved with much less frustration.

It is also likely that while you were not looking, there would be
another convert to the Linux brotherhood.

 
Answer #5    Answered On: Jan 08    

You are right; WUBI uses the Windows bootloader which is the two line one
that first pops up. Grub will then appear afterwards. WUBI's grub is NOT
written to the bootloader of the MBR because that is where Windows'
bootloader is and only one can occupy that space. When a regular
installation is on the same computer, it will overwrite the MBR of the first
drive by default. It does not have to be there, but that is the default.
That means that you will lose the Windows bootloader if you use the Ubuntu
default and will have to work to restore WUBI as a choice. You can have more
than one grub if you have more than one drive and control which drive boots
with a boot manager. On my computer (HP) I press ESC to get a boot menu.

The purpose of WUBI's grub is to give you choice between different kernels
and boot choices in WUBI. I am not sure where that grub physically located,
but it is probably in the Ubuntu folder on the C: drive. It has been awhile
since I played around with WUBI. The purpose of the Windows bootloader is to
point you towards the two OSes installed on the C: drive, Windows and Ubuntu
which resides on the C: drive but is treated like a partition via a
loopback.

Things get very convoluted with more than one grub, but it is possible if
you know what you are doing or can at least fix mistakes manually. On my old
computer I often had three or more instances of grub. This one has only one
drive so it is fairly straightforward. Less for my brain to keep track of
which is good.

 
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