I see both the point of view and the coding method tips thanks

Can I ask for clarification I understand the "me" keywords and understand
that the userform is using an index value of the form  which are loaded.


Even though you might tell me this is not possible to pass a string  to refer
to a form .. and then alter attributes..


But I look at this article
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=213574

I thought this would be useful when you don't know the userform index or the
reference part.

Is it possible if not that's is fair enough.